Comments on: Free Java! http://metastatic.org/text/Concern/2006/11/13/107/ In Which We Worry and Complain Out Loud in Our Outside Voice Mon, 08 Sep 2008 03:25:04 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Audrius Meškauskas http://metastatic.org/text/Concern/2006/11/13/107/#comment-38251 Audrius Meškauskas Sat, 07 Jul 2007 20:23:39 +0000 http://metastatic.org/text/Concern/2006/11/13/107/#comment-38251 Working in GNU Classpath project I have obtained the competence that it is near impossible to get somewhere else - experience in implementing java itself. When I now call Sun's CORBA, Swing or HTML parser, I now precisely that the code I call is about to do, because I has been writing something that does exactly the same. Does matter at work. For sure I worked in a team like no other. And, without any doubt, at the time I was contributing GNU Classpath was absolutely necessary for the Free world. For sure, I will never be sorry. Working in GNU Classpath project I have obtained the competence that it is near impossible to get somewhere else - experience in implementing java itself. When I now call Sun’s CORBA, Swing or HTML parser, I now precisely that the code I call is about to do, because I has been writing something that does exactly the same. Does matter at work. For sure I worked in a team like no other. And, without any doubt, at the time I was contributing GNU Classpath was absolutely necessary for the Free world. For sure, I will never be sorry.

]]> By: davee http://metastatic.org/text/Concern/2006/11/13/107/#comment-3141 davee Sun, 26 Nov 2006 23:39:59 +0000 http://metastatic.org/text/Concern/2006/11/13/107/#comment-3141 I'm sure the efforts on gnu classpath, especially it's continued completion, must have impacted their decision. I talked to one of their sales engineers this summer about licensing java for an embedded project, and ended telling them that their costs were ridiculous, our only alternative was to use free java and gnu classpath for such a low cost device. He seemed to be pretty aware that is what people were doing. That their licensing story just didn't make sense given the free alternative. Thank you! I’m sure the efforts on gnu classpath, especially it’s continued completion, must have impacted their decision. I talked to one of their sales engineers this summer about licensing java for an embedded project, and ended telling them that their costs were ridiculous, our only alternative was to use free java and gnu classpath for such a low cost device. He seemed to be pretty aware that is what people were doing. That their licensing story just didn’t make sense given the free alternative. Thank you!

]]> By: csm http://metastatic.org/text/Concern/2006/11/13/107/#comment-2711 csm Tue, 14 Nov 2006 18:41:50 +0000 http://metastatic.org/text/Concern/2006/11/13/107/#comment-2711 I watched the web cast, and was surprised that Jonathan Schwartz mentioned the GCJ, Classpath, and Kaffe communities in the Q&A section. I'd be more than happy to participate in the OpenJDK community as I have with the Classpath community. Don't get me wrong: I'm extremely happy with this result. My own hubris and pride makes me a little sad, though, since <em>my</em> code may be forgotten, but that's not really relevant in the big picture. I watched the web cast, and was surprised that Jonathan Schwartz mentioned the GCJ, Classpath, and Kaffe communities in the Q&A section. I’d be more than happy to participate in the OpenJDK community as I have with the Classpath community.

Don’t get me wrong: I’m extremely happy with this result. My own hubris and pride makes me a little sad, though, since my code may be forgotten, but that’s not really relevant in the big picture.

]]> By: Dave Gilbert http://metastatic.org/text/Concern/2006/11/13/107/#comment-2709 Dave Gilbert Tue, 14 Nov 2006 14:06:47 +0000 http://metastatic.org/text/Concern/2006/11/13/107/#comment-2709 Casey, Our collective efforts on GNU Classpath have surely made an impression on Sun, since they've chosen (among many options) *our* licence terms for their OpenJDK. So whether or not any of our code survives, the effort was not a waste. We've helped to shape the future of the Java platform on Free systems, which is what we set out to do. Regards, Dave Casey,

Our collective efforts on GNU Classpath have surely made an impression on Sun, since they’ve chosen (among many options) *our* licence terms for their OpenJDK. So whether or not any of our code survives, the effort was not a waste. We’ve helped to shape the future of the Java platform on Free systems, which is what we set out to do.

Regards,

Dave

]]> By: sveinung http://metastatic.org/text/Concern/2006/11/13/107/#comment-2703 sveinung Tue, 14 Nov 2006 09:43:39 +0000 http://metastatic.org/text/Concern/2006/11/13/107/#comment-2703 Well, you could always go for certifying GNU Classpath for 1.4, since some distros* still need that and 1.4 are almost complete. * http://planet.gentoo.org/developers/nichoj/2006/08/01/java_1_4_do_we_still_need_it Well, you could always go for certifying GNU Classpath for 1.4, since some distros* still need that and 1.4 are almost complete.

* http://planet.gentoo.org/developers/nichoj/2006/08/01/java_1_4_do_we_still_need_it

]]> By: Roman Kennke http://metastatic.org/text/Concern/2006/11/13/107/#comment-2695 Roman Kennke Tue, 14 Nov 2006 00:53:03 +0000 http://metastatic.org/text/Concern/2006/11/13/107/#comment-2695 Hi Casey, I think I can feel with you. Working passionately on something which will then most likely be abandoned feels strange. But: There is no need to be sad. After all, your work (and that of all others hacking on Classpath) is part of the force that led to the announcement today. So what will happen to GNU Classpath, which's mission is kindof accomplished? I don't know. What's for sure is that we will be free from the task of reimplementing something that already exists and focus on new _innovative_ stuff. That's the outcome today. We don't have to struggle for achieving some compatibility anymore, but instead can probably help shaping Java in the future. If there's is enough motivation for Classpath hackers to carry on (I for one am still motivated for sure) then we should reconsider the actual goals and our position in this new Java universe. Ideally, now, together with Sun. If not, well, then we can still do funky new stuff in other places. This is all very exciting and I'm sure when everybody has slept a couple of nights over it, the new paths will show up for themselves. Cheers, Roman Hi Casey, I think I can feel with you. Working passionately on something which will then most likely be abandoned feels strange. But: There is no need to be sad. After all, your work (and that of all others hacking on Classpath) is part of the force that led to the announcement today. So what will happen to GNU Classpath, which’s mission is kindof accomplished? I don’t know. What’s for sure is that we will be free from the task of reimplementing something that already exists and focus on new _innovative_ stuff. That’s the outcome today. We don’t have to struggle for achieving some compatibility anymore, but instead can probably help shaping Java in the future.

If there’s is enough motivation for Classpath hackers to carry on (I for one am still motivated for sure) then we should reconsider the actual goals and our position in this new Java universe. Ideally, now, together with Sun. If not, well, then we can still do funky new stuff in other places.

This is all very exciting and I’m sure when everybody has slept a couple of nights over it, the new paths will show up for themselves. Cheers, Roman

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